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1From:To:Subject:Date:[email protected] SMP CommentFriday, August 13, 2021 1:34:59 PMYour Name (Optional): BRUCE GALVINYour email address: [email protected]: Well, I am currently going through the tedious process for a nonconformingproperty want to do an addition. The proposal sent to the county planners is to add 500 squarefeet away from the water (property on Eld Inlet). This process starting in February of this year.The examiner has required me to complete a survey with high water marks, topographicalsurvey and geotech survey which all cost money. I now have to take this information andcomplete a RUE with the county.It looks like under the new rule since the addition does not exceed 500 ft I would not have togo through any of this process. Just trying to figure where I stand at the moment. Thanks,BruceTime: August 13, 2021 at 8:34 pmIP Address: 97.113.101.94Contact Form URL: ed-shoreline-codeupdate/Sent by an unverified visitor to your site.

ing SMP CommentMonday, August 16, 2021 8:20:20 AMYour Name (Optional): Lorri AveryYour email address: [email protected]: So, if it’s so important to protect creek shorelines and stop erosion, Why do youallow my neighbor to be “grandfathered in” and he weed whacks his entire Woodland Creekshoreline every year “so he can see the creek” from his house? No natural foliage, just barren.Plus, he wanted to create an ATV track along the creek, and he still might! Makes no sense, noone should be able to continue to destroy natural growth like that - every year.Time: August 16, 2021 at 3:20 pmIP Address: 64.126.161.222Contact Form URL: ed-shoreline-codeupdate/Sent by an unverified visitor to your site.

ing SMP CommentFriday, August 20, 2021 11:17:36 AMYour Name (Optional): John GarrettYour email address: [email protected]: I am a retired Washington State Department of Fish and Wildlife Biologist, andwas a part of the initial implementation of the Shoreline Management Act (SMA). Personallyand professionally, I'm very supportive of the provisions of the SMA. The problem that I havealways been aware of is that Washington Sate Counties responsible for enforcing theprovisions of the SMA, have never dedicated the necessary financial resources to the program.When I was working in Skagit County 20 to 30 years ago, Skagit County did not enforce theprovisions of the SMA, and now I live in Thurston county, and Thurston County DOES NOTenforce the provisions of the SMA. I have submitted addresses, photographs, and otherpertinent information ( related to obvious SMA violations on the lake where I live in ThurstonCounty) to the appropriate Thurston County Planning Department employees and theyindicate that they DO NOT have the staff or resources to pursue resolution to these obviousviolations. So it seems to me that this revision effort is once again an exercise in futility, as thedocument have not enforcement "clout" behind it, and will sit on shelves collecting dust untilsomeone decides that it needs to be revised again. If this revision effort is serious, pleaseprovide the necessary resources to the program (SMA), so that the program (SMA) serves thepurpose for which it was intended. "Preserving the shorelines of Washington State." Thankyou! Sincerely, John GarrettTime: August 20, 2021 at 6:16 pmIP Address: 172.92.244.176Contact Form URL: ed-shoreline-codeupdate/Sent by an unverified visitor to your site.

4From:To:Subject:Date:berg [email protected] SMP CommentSaturday, August 21, 2021 5:51:36 PMYour Name (Optional): STEVEN A BERGYour email address: berg [email protected]: you made the print so small on the postcard you made it difficult for me to readthe internet address! You should of considered the lower vision levels that seniors haveTime: August 22, 2021 at 12:51 amIP Address: 73.221.243.242Contact Form URL: ed-shoreline-codeupdate/Sent by an unverified visitor to your site.

5From:To:Subject:Date:Thurston County Send EmailAndrew Deffobisreplacing a structureFriday, August 13, 2021 12:56:24 PMThis email was created by the County Internet web server from the email masking system.Someone from the Public has requested to contact you with the following information:To: Andrew DeffobisSubject:From: Evelyn RowlandEmail (if provided): [email protected]: (if provided): 3602645095Message:My niece owns property on the Skookumchuck on Steelehead Ct (Tenino) that hasa doublewide mobile on it. The mobile has been destroyed. She wants to remove itan either put another in it's place, build a small stick built home or sell theproperty. She was told the property is under some sort of shoreline rule now thatwon't allow her to do any of those things and that her only option if she removesthe mobile is to let the property just sit there vacant. Is this correct?

6From:To:Subject:Date:Thurston County Send EmailAndrew DeffobisShoreline Master Plan Appendix ASaturday, August 21, 2021 7:24:25 PMThis email was created by the County Internet web server from the email masking system.Someone from the Public has requested to contact you with the following information:To: Andrew DeffobisSubject:From: Steve OddEmail (if provided): [email protected]: (if provided): 360.446.0894Message:In reviewing the Master Plan draft I could not find App A. Is it at a different site orweb page?

7From:To:Subject:Date:Thurston County Send EmailAndrew DeffobisOptions A and B for marine buffersSunday, August 22, 2021 11:05:51 AMThis email was created by the County Internet web server from the email masking system.Someone from the Public has requested to contact you with the following information:To: Andrew DeffobisSubject:From: Meredith RaffertyEmail (if provided): [email protected]: (if provided): 360-754-8510Message:1. Where can I get information about Options A and B for marine buffers? How dothe options work, get applied?2. What is the width of the marine Shoreline Jurisdiction so I can determinewhether my house is within it? 250 feet?

8From:To:Subject:Date:Thurston County Send EmailAndrew DeffobisQuestions on my Nisqually House/LandMonday, August 23, 2021 2:28:21 PMThis email was created by the County Internet web server from the email masking system.Someone from the Public has requested to contact you with the following information:To: Andrew DeffobisSubject:From: Leila WillardEmail (if provided): [email protected]: (if provided): 3609997514Message:Dear Andrew, Our house and property has undergone a lot of distress since 2020.We'd just purchased our house and it was destroyed by the Tacoma PowerCompany when they flooded us out. We are still recovering from this. Our homeand land are not fully restored.My husband is a 100% disabled veteran and I'm caring for him as well as ourchildren.I do not have time to go through hundreds of pages to see WHAT MIGHT be donewith our house/property due to the notice we just received.I need it spelled out for me. Is our house/land being seized? Are you proposing totake part of our land? Are you going to dictate what we do with it?I'm on 6th Ave 98513.Again, I do not have time to peruse through hundreds of pages or try to figure outall the fancy jargon. I just need it spelled out for me.Thank you for your time and attention to this message.Sincerely,Leila Willard

9From:To:Subject:Date:Thurston County Send EmailAndrew Deffobisincorrect tinyurlTuesday, August 24, 2021 7:42:23 AMThis email was created by the County Internet web server from the email masking system.Someone from the Public has requested to contact you with the following information:To: Andrew DeffobisSubject:From: Evan OlsenEmail (if provided): [email protected]: (if provided): 3605568025Message:Hi Andrew, Just a heads up that the tinyurl that you provided on the postcardmailer is incorrect. It sends you to Sportsdaily. Also, the font on the mailer is reallysmall and difficult for older americans and people with visual disabilities. I foundthe correct information online, but people may be frustrated when typing in theincorrect tinyurl. Thanks.

oming SMP CommentTuesday, August 24, 2021 8:31:53 AMYour Name (Optional): BenYour email address: [email protected]: will the proposed designation to shoreline residential effect how my property taxesare calculated? My property does not touch the water but the designation is being changedfrom rural to shoreline residential.Time: August 24, 2021 at 3:31 pmIP Address: 205.134.216.130Contact Form URL: ed-shoreline-codeupdate/Sent by an unverified visitor to your site.

ncoming SMP CommentTuesday, August 24, 2021 9:18:59 AMYour Name (Optional): bob whislerYour email address: [email protected]: I find it difficult to determine exactly what impact the proposed changes will haveon my property or my use of that property. My address is 1523 Delphi Road, Olympia 98512.Can you provide a brief description of how my property is defined today vs any new definitionthat is or may be proposed?thank youTime: August 24, 2021 at 4:18 pmIP Address: 184.182.189.67Contact Form URL: ed-shoreline-codeupdate/Sent by an unverified visitor to your site.

12From:To:Subject:Date:Sandy NortonAndrew DeffobisFw: Shoreline Master Program - mailing:Tuesday, August 24, 2021 11:40:12 AMHi Andy,Please see email below. Thanks.From: Allen McDonald [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 11:01 AMTo: Sandy Norton [email protected] Subject: Shoreline Master Program - mailing:Dear Sandy, I’m reaching out to find an answer to a 4”x6” postcard I received I received (08-23-21)in my rural mail box for Allen McDonald, 2637 140th Ave SW, Tenino, WA 98589-9457 which is theaddress for this writer. The message, written in very fine print, conveyed the idea that my propertymight affected by CPED rule changes and that CPED wants to hear from me. So , being curious as towhymy input might of interest to any official body in Thurston County, I typed in the address as printedon thepostcard:https://tinyurl.com/y6n938cI did this three times, thus verifying that I had indeed reached a Dailey Sports Website, from mycomputer,using the above address.So here is some input. I’ve occupied this 4.78 acre property since 2014, an active creek runs alongtheEastern edge of the property line where the land slopes up a lengthy way to a level area where thehouseSits. The was designed as a horse keeping property with loafing sheds around the acreage. I’mkeepingThe place, as is, with no inclination to, sub divide or attempt to build at this time. I like the spacearound mealong the flora and fauna that live with me. In the second quarter of next year I’ll be 80.I’m still curious about these rule revisions that might affect my interest property wise, so pleaserefer orinform me of what rules are being considered for change or enhancement.Thank you for your kind courtesy,Dr. Allen McDonaldSent from Mail for Windows 10

13From:To:Subject:Date:Thurston County Send EmailAndrew Deffobis1523 Delphi Road, OlympiaTuesday, August 24, 2021 12:34:20 PMThis email was created by the County Internet web server from the email masking system.Someone from the Public has requested to contact you with the following information:To: Andrew DeffobisSubject:From: Bob WhislerEmail (if provided): [email protected]: (if provided): 6198905542Message:Hello Andrew, I have went through the virtual tour of the SMP but it is difficult toascertain the impact on my property. I've owned that property for approx 35 years.Shortly after purchasing it I had a septic tank and drain field installed with theintent of someday building a small vacation home there. What I want to know ishow the newly proposed designations will impact my plans and what I can do withthat property? I am also anticipating that any change to its designation that wouldprevent building a home will have a significant impact on the property value. Anycomment for that.Thanks, Bob Whisler

14From:To:Subject:Date:scott [email protected] SMP CommentTuesday, August 24, 2021 12:19:36 PMYour Name (Optional):Your email address: scott [email protected]: I own property with two homes on Eld Inlet. I purchased said property in 2003.Several years ago I volunteered to have the two existing septic systems (one for each house)tested by the County.Somewhat to my surprise both systems were leaching effluent into Eld Inlet. Shortly afterlearning that I had a system designed, permitted, and installed to alleviate the problem. Thecurrent system is working as designed and is regularly inspected. I remain pleased with theresults of learning that my property was causing some amount of the problem associated withfailed septic systems and was able to rectify the situation.I suspect that the vast majority of waterfront owners in the County opted NOT to participate inthe voluntary inspection process. I also suspect that there are a significant number of olderseptic systems that are not functioning to the current standard hence potentially causing harmto the adjacent body of water.It strikes me that there should be a MANDATORY inspection of all waterfront property septicsystems rather than a voluntary one if we are seriously concerned about the health of our inletsand waterways.Time: August 24, 2021 at 7:19 pmIP Address: 73.221.75.11Contact Form URL: ed-shoreline-codeupdate/Sent by an unverified visitor to your site.

ming SMP CommentTuesday, August 24, 2021 1:31:35 PMYour Name (Optional): NICOLEYour email address: [email protected]: Do you have a key for all the acronyms scattered throughout the pdfs/documents?Time: August 24, 2021 at 8:31 pmIP Address: 73.254.37.67Contact Form URL: ed-shoreline-codeupdate/Sent by an unverified visitor to your site.

16From:To:Subject:Date:Thurston County Send EmailAndrew DeffobisShoreline Master ProgramTuesday, August 24, 2021 3:08:27 PMThis email was created by the County Internet web server from the email masking system.Someone from the Public has requested to contact you with the following information:To: Andrew DeffobisSubject:From: John SuessmanEmail (if provided): [email protected]: (if provided): 360-915-2668Message:Feedback on SMPI have concern with the rules being imposed on pre-existing waterfront propertywhich have docks and bulkheads since the 1940s. So language that grandfatherspre-existing property and structures is needed. This plan has too many must does.It’s not a vision plan. It’s calling for permits to fix a dock or trim a tree. We need topull weeds that impede fishing and swimming. I totally understand newconstruction rules and set-backs and Ensuring septics are properly functional. Notbeing allowed to trim a tree without county approval is way overboard. Great workon the written description of each lake and river. I think the climate change data isnot needed. There is continuous climate change over millions of years, this is agiven. My feedback is that this plan is too regulatory and not visionary in nature.It’s a great plan for new construction. Requiring permits for doing dock repairs,pulling lake weeds and yard work is excessive and needs to be removed from theplan. Thank you for your hard work! Sincerely, John Suessman

17From:To:Subject:Date:Thurston County Send EmailAndrew DeffobisShoreline Master ProgramTuesday, August 24, 2021 3:12:20 PMThis email was created by the County Internet web server from the email masking system.Someone from the Public has requested to contact you with the following information:To: Andrew DeffobisSubject:From: Ray LynnEmail (if provided): [email protected]: (if provided): 3607896346Message:I received a post card stating that you are planning changes and a website to viewthem. The site does not work. Please send a corrected web address or tell me howto view the information. Thanks.

18From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:planningAndrew DeffobisTim RubertFW:Tuesday, August 24, 2021 3:24:04 PMAndy,Was a notice for the update to the SMP mailed out? Do you think this is what she is talking about?She also mentions flood so I’ve included Tim. Any help or insight you can provide would be helpful!Thank you,Erika Smith-Erickson Planning Technician , Building Development CenterThurston County Community Planning & Economic Development2000 Lakeridge Dr SW, Bldg 1, Olympia, Washington 98502 MapMain (360) 754-4115 Fax (360) 754-2939 TDD (800) [email protected] www.thurstoncountybdc.comThis communication is a public record and may be subject to disclosure under the Washington State Public Records Act, RCW 42.56.From: Julie Dodson [email protected] Sent: Monday, August 23, 2021 1:58 PMTo: planning [email protected] Subject:Yes,We received a post card, - Save the Date for discussion in regard to Thurston County ShorelineMaster Program Virtual Open House. The Post Card is confusing as there is not date specified tosave .That being said, we would certainly like to talk with someone.Our house when purchased July 2017, was stated to be in a flood zone, we live on Pattison Lake.The previous owners (who lived here 35 years) were never in a flood zone. What Changed?Trying to talk with someone about it has proved impossible. None of my neighbors to the left orright are in a flood zone just us.We want to be involved and do have questions, however, this postcard is reflective of the kind ofthing we run up against . You say you want to hear from us, send a confusing postcards with Savethe Date, “August 13 – October 20” with no time frame and the tiniest tiny URL that you can’t readit! C’mon.

If you would, I would love to hear more – and we would like to talk. Please have someone get backwith me who has answers and can talk with me. I do not want to hear from anyone who has to referme to someone who will refer to someone else.Thank you, very concerned and would love to know and talk and participate, but, tired of trying tochase people down. I am available via telephone, 360-489-0924 or we could schedule a zoommeeting.Julie Peters.Sent from Mail for Windows

19From:To:Subject:Date:DonovanAndrew DeffobisRe: Additional questions SMPTuesday, August 24, 2021 4:21:36 PMThank you, Andrew, for the prompt response. I will look into buffer options A and B.As for the 200 foot shoreline jurisdiction, I would appreciate knowing if our property isalso affected by a Critical Area or if the standard 200 foot applies. Our address is 61877th Ave NE, 98506 in the Boston Harbor community.I will also submit a separate email about the unexpected change in our SEDdesignation from Shoreline Residential in the 2017 Update to Rural Conservancy inthis 2021 draft -- please see the marked area of the attached 2017 map.The neighbors in this revised stretch of shoreline submitted comments in 2016 and2017 supporting the Shoreline Residential designation because these properties arepart of the original platted Boston Harbor with the rest of the community, have beendeveloped and used for residential purposes and are without shellfish farms, arerecognized as part of the Boston Harbor LAMRID, and are served by the communityinitiated Boston Harbor ULID, as the rest of Boston Harbor is. The shorelinecharacteristics are also similar to stretches of the Shoreline Residential SED alongDover Point designated for the rest of Boston Harbor.--Meredith RaffertyAttachmentOn 08/24/2021 11:55 AM Andrew Deffobis [email protected] wrote:Hello Meredith,Thank you for your email. The options for buffers reflect different conversationsthe Planning Commission has had over time. Following the public hearing, staffwill ask the Planning Commission which option they wish to use. You can readthe two options in Section 19.400.120, beginning on page 53 of the public hearingdraft (or Page 57 of 427 if you are using the page #s in the upper right corner).The text contains proposed buffers, and there is a highlighted text box that showsanother option for the public to review. Below that is another text box thatprovides some further context.Buffers are applied beginning at the ordinary high water mark, which isdetermined in the field during application review. The draft SMP allows forreduction of buffers in limited circumstances.

Shoreline jurisdiction is generally 200 feet landward of the ordinary high watermark. However, the presence of other critical areas may extend this distance. Ifyou can provide an address I would be happy to look into it a bit further.Regards,Andrew Deffobis, Interim Senior PlannerThurston County Community Planning and Economic Development Department2000 Lakeridge Drive SWOlympia, WA 98502Cell Phone: (360) 522-2593Office Phone: (360) 786-5467Fax: (360) 754-2939From: Thurston County Send Email [email protected] Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 11:06 AMTo: Andrew Deffobis [email protected] Subject: Options A and B for marine buffersThis email was created by the County Internet web server from the emailmasking system. Someone from the Public has requested to contact you withthe following information:To: Andrew DeffobisSubject:From: Meredith RaffertyEmail (if provided): [email protected]: (if provided): 360-754-8510

Message:1. Where can I get information about Options A and B for marinebuffers? How do the options work, get applied?2. What is the width of the marine Shoreline Jurisdiction so I candetermine whether my house is within it? 250 feet?

ncoming SMP CommentTuesday, August 24, 2021 3:51:15 PMYour Name (Optional): Emily YorkYour email address: [email protected]: Greetings!Thank you for the opportunity to comment.My family has lived in Olympia for over 150 years. I grew up here and have a deepconnection to this place.I currently manage a climate change program and my education includes a graduate degree insustainability, and undergraduate degrees in planning and environmental science. I can tracethis path back to my childhood days of climbing trees, picking berries, and swimming in thebay. Through that direct connection with nature, I committed myself to being part of themovement toward restoration, healing, and regeneration.Now, I have two children of my own and I would like to raise them in this place that raisedme.I would like to be able to remodel our modest home, so that each of my children can have theirown bedrooms. We do not desire an extravagant footprint, but we do desire a comfortableliving. For instance, we would like to have a place where we can hang our coats and boots todry.We also have plans to de-pave a part of the driveway and install a rain garden. We are wantingto be stewards of this land. We want to invest in this place so that one day our children canpass it on to their children and say that "our family has lived in Olympia for over 250 years".The existing SMP has been prohibitive of the updates we would like to make to this littlehome. It is not valued very high to begin with, so 50% of it's assessed value does not stretchvery far (especially with the cost of materials these days). We strongly support the newproposed SMP that does not place a cap based on a structure's value. Our family would alsobenefit greatly from the ability to expand a little (not towards the shoreline) to include an entryroom to wipe our feet and hang our coats. Thank you for proposing these changes that wouldenable our family to live more comfortably in this beautiful place.We are crossing our fingers that the proposed SMP moves forward so that we can pursue ourvision of a remodeled home next year.Thank you for considering,Emily

Time: August 24, 2021 at 10:51 pmIP Address: 159.121.202.141Contact Form URL: ed-shoreline-codeupdate/Sent by an unverified visitor to your site.

ming SMP CommentTuesday, August 24, 2021 8:18:40 PMYour Name (Optional): Patrick ShannonYour email address: [email protected]: currently owned property borders the Skookumchuck river. approx 300 ft. Therequired setback from the river is excessive at 250ft. That setback takes up nearly the entiredepth of the property between Skookumchuck rd. and the river. Added to that are the OregonWhite Oaks on the property. There are several scattered on the property when combined withthe water setback makes my property nearly useless for anything other than growing grass.The river setback should not exceed 100 ft. and the oak protection needs to be reduced also.The prop. # is 11510210104.Time: August 25, 2021 at 3:18 amIP Address: 216.128.107.220Contact Form URL: ed-shoreline-codeupdate/Sent by an unverified visitor to your site.

ing SMP CommentWednesday, August 25, 2021 10:14:44 AMYour Name (Optional): Mark MalomeYour email address: [email protected]: Generally I like the changes.My family has owned lake front property for 3 generations. It had a cabin built in 1960, butover the years was not well maintained.When I acquired the property I was told by the county that any significant changes to upgradewould require a fire or natural disaster. And/0r expenses in fees for variances and permitswhich were prohibitive and may or may not be approved in the end.The opportunity to build a modest retirement house on property I have owned and paid taxeson for years is very appealing.Historically, we have had access to a beach and a dock in various iterations over the years. Myfirm intention is to maintain this access. When the vegetation growth has gotten out of hand,the plants have primarily been those the county considers noxious or invasive and charges mefull rate at the dump to dispose of. So, the requirement for not cutting vegetation in the bufferis not one I completely support. I do support a reasonable shoreline management plan thatprovides for habitat and clean water and believe that a good landscaping and maintenance planwould benefit both the land owner and the public good.And speaking of management plans, the lake next to my property right now has a problemwith milfoil. While there can be multiple arguments on how this became a problem, the mostlikely source is public use. The solutions that I have heard all involve expense and effort bythe owners of lake property. It would seem to me that if the government is enforcing rules forpublic access, habitat, and water quality then the government, as the steward for public interestin that part of the lake deemed public, should be responsible for the effort and cost ofmaintaining same as the neighboring landowners.That said, I would welcome changes that would allow me to build and maintain a modesthome on my family property, in a manner that would be environmentally friendly, and at areasonable cost in effort and money.Time: August 25, 2021 at 5:14 pmIP Address: 172.58.46.243Contact Form URL: ed-shoreline-codeupdate/Sent by an unverified visitor to your site.

ing SMP CommentWednesday, August 25, 2021 10:26:49 AMYour Name (Optional): Mark MaloneYour email address: [email protected]: The online county map has some gross errors in property boundaries. At least as itconcerns my property.If this very important and most obvious/significant feature is inaccurate, then it is hard to haveconfidence in other features.If county staff are going to use these maps (which I have witnessed) in discussing what may ormay not be required for property development, then they need to be accurate.Time: August 25, 2021 at 5:26 pmIP Address: 172.58.71.189Contact Form URL: ed-shoreline-codeupdate/Sent by an unverified visitor to your site.

Incoming SMP CommentWednesday, August 25, 2021 12:58:57 PMYour Name (Optional): Bob LanouetteYour email address: [email protected]: 19.400.100Do not use the term non-conforming. This term is divisive and has been a topic of citizencomments in numerous Planning Commission Meetings. Use the term existing structure.Time: August 25, 2021 at 7:58 pmIP Address: 73.109.38.12Contact Form URL: ed-shoreline-codeupdate/Sent by an unverified visitor to your site.

25From:To:Subject:Date:Maya TeepleAndrew DeffobisFW: Postcard receivedWednesday, August 25, 2021 2:00:12 PMMaya Teeple Senior PlannerThurston County Community Planning & Economic DevelopmentCommunity Planning Division2000 Lakeridge Dr SW, Bldg 1, Olympia, Washington 98502Cell (Primary): (360) [email protected] www.thurstonplanning.orgFrom: Thurston County Send Email [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 12:32 PMTo: Maya Teeple [email protected] Subject: Postcard receivedThis email was created by the County Internet web server from the email masking system.Someone from the Public has requested to contact you with the following information:To: Maya TeepleSubject:From: Jim PfaffEmail (if provided): [email protected]: (if provided): 360-894-8173Message:I

From: [email protected] To: SMP Subject: Incoming SMP Comment Date: Friday, August 13, 2021 1:34:59 PM Your Name (Optional): BRUCE GALVIN Your email address: [email protected] Comment: Well, I am currently going through the tedious process for a nonconforming property want to do an addition. The